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God Not Needed for Creation—Stephen Hawking

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Stephen Hawking

Stephen Hawking: God no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the Universe

In A Brief History of Time, British scientist Stephen Hawking had suggested that the idea of God or a divine being was not necessarily incompatible with a scientific understanding of the Universe. In extracts from a new book The Grand Design, Hawking now says God is not necessary for creation. He has no place in theories on the creation of the universe. The Big Bang was a consequence of the law of gravity.

Because there is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist.

What of the fortuitous place we actually have to live in, the planet earth in the solar system? Didn’t God have a hand in that? In 1992, a planet was discovered orbiting a star outside our own solar system. It makes our own solar system no longer unique, and not as fortuitous as it seemed. If we live on one, and can see others, there could be millions of them.

That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions—the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass—far less remarkable, and far less compelling as evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings.

Hawking has achieved worldwide fame for his research, writing and television documentaries despite suffering since the age of 21 motor neurone disease that has left him disabled and dependent on a voice synthesiser.

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Virginia Keyes replied to this but on Facebook. Here is the converstion so far.

Virginia Keyes could,nt possibly agree with this. One best seller stephen leave it at that!!

Mike Magee It’s no argument just to say you couldn’t agree with something. If God is not necessary for Creation, then the universe can begin without Him. Then again, as I have written elsewhere, time having a beginning might be an illusion rather like… the railway tracks coming to a point at the horizon. Once we get to times less than the Planck time, it changes, receding towards an absolute zero time ever more slowly so that it never gets there. (Look at: http://www.askwhy.co.uk/truth/570BigBang.php)
It means time never began, the universe is eternal, and that must suit a Christian, mustn’t it? Even if Mrs Keyes couldn’t care less 🙂 .

Virginia Keyes Stephen hawkins believes that gravity started everything. i ask therefore where did gravity come from. We do need a moral compass and hawkins way is rather free for all. Maybe his secular views could be partly responsible for the decline around us. I do care Mike only not as yet found the correct path for myself!

Virginia Keyes Hawkins, for a scientist very unscientific. i.e. without experiment, with out proof!

Mike Magee I haven’t read this new book, but do not think Hawking is saying that gravity is God. He will not be saying gravity started everything, so he is not being illogical as you seem to imply. But as I said about a week ago, it is my preference to discuss things I have blogged about on the actual blog, where the original item can be read, and the debate followed from the outset, if a debate ensues. If anyone gets to the post by Google or whatever, they will have no idea that you are criticizing it here on Facebook.

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Written by mikemagee

7 September, 2010 at 9:33 pm

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  1. In “The Grand Design” Stephen Hawking postulates that the M-theory may be the Holy Grail of physics…the Grand Unified Theory which Einstein had tried to formulate and later abandoned. It expands on quantum mechanics and string theories.

    In my e-book on comparative mysticism is a quote by Albert Einstein: “…most beautiful and profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and most radiant beauty – which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive form – this knowledge, this feeling, is at the center of all religion.”

    Einstein’s Special Theory of Relativity is probably the best known scientific equation. I revised it to help better understand the relationship between divine Essence (Spirit), matter (mass/energy: visible/dark) and consciousness (fx raised to its greatest power). Unlike the speed of light, which is a constant, there are no exact measurements for consciousness. In this hypothetical formula, basic consciousness may be of insects, to the second power of animals and to the third power the rational mind of humans. The fourth power is suprarational consciousness of mystics, when they intuit the divine essence in perceived matter. This was a convenient analogy, but there cannot be a divine formula.

    Ron Krumpos

    7 September, 2010 at 10:59 pm

  2. V Keyes said, “I ask where did gravity come from?” The skeptic always asks the Christian, “where does God come from?” The answer, if we get one, is that God is the uncaused cause! Everything has a cause except God, Christians believe. So, maybe gravity is the uncaused cause, instead. Hawking, though, is not saying, “In the beginning there was gravity”. What he seems to be suggesting is that certain physical constants of the universe exist whether there is anything material for them to work on, so gravity exists as the gravitational constant, even though there may be no matter for it to work upon. But gravity is negative energy. It pulls things together until they disappear in a black hole. So, if nothing exists, and some energy is required for it to exist (matter is energy as Ron Krumpos says in his comment above), it can spring into existence as long as the gravitational energy it creates equals the material energy in its matter. There is no net change in energy. It is still zero. It means that it is much more likely for something to exist than for it not to exist. In terms of entropy (probability), there is only one state of none existence, but many states of existence, so existence is more probable. I have an article explaining physicist and philosopher, Victor Stenger’s views which explain this here:
    http://www.askwhy.co.uk/truth/a50Stenger.php

    If Hawking’s views are the cause of social decline, then he sounds like God himself. Gods, even in Christianity, come in different varieties — in Christianity, a good one and a wicked one, a god of the spirit and a god of the material. In history, the development of the notion of god is as a personification of the primitive community, the tribe, clan or whatever societies humans lived in in the 200,000 years it took us to become “civilized”. It was the community that really did what people now attribute to some immaterial spirit. So God is the community, and when a community loses its cohesion, then it collapses. God becomes wicked. He becomes the Devil. Societies collapse when they become unfair, and our society has become grossly unfair. Hawking has nothing to do with that, but maybe greedy bankers, media moguls, politicians and people generally do have something to do with it. The mightiest civilizations have become corrupt and collapsed. We are just doing the same.

    mikemagee

    9 September, 2010 at 1:05 pm


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